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Meet the Author Rosa Carrillo

By Tamara Parris
Published: November 1, 2020 | Last updated: November 22, 2023
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Join Rosa Carrillo as she reads from her book "The Relationship Factor in Safety Leadership: Achieving Success Through Employee Engagement".


Join Rosa Carrillo as she reads from her book "The Relationship Factor in Safety Leadership: Achieving Success Through Employee Engagement". Rosa shares her insights and as our community members share theirs and ask questions.



00:43:39Tamara:Please let us know if you have a question to ask Rosa

00:51:57Tamara:Just wanted to see if anyone has a a question to ask Rosa? Please let Gary and I know 🙂

00:52:08Gary Wong:


00:52:21Tamara:Thank you Gary for the resource share 🙂

00:53:26Tamara:Epistemic injustice is unfairness related to knowledge.[1] The first systematic theory of epistemic injustice was introduced in 2007 by British philosopher Miranda Fricker, who coined the term.[2] According to Fricker, there are two kinds of epistemic injustice: testimonial injustice and hermeneutical injustice.[3]

00:55:55Jim Marinus:Can you speak to the need to accommodate the prevalent approach to managing by procedural control and prescription in formulating a strategy to move towards a relationship centered approach?

00:56:38Orhan Çırağan:For conversation trust and physchological safety are preconditions. How do you build up that if one person is quiet and isolates himself?

00:57:26Gary Wong:Sam Goodman: The HOP Nerd

00:57:47Tamara:Please come on camera is your able to 🙂

01:08:27Corrêa de Sá:what about the relationship-culture in the education system… it is the place where people spend more time us non-adults.

01:08:59David Boyce:We are always in threat detection mode, monitoring vulnerability and if we get any indication that we are ore could be embarrassed, excluded, or discounted will not participate.

01:09:29Tamara:Interesting share David

01:10:08Corrêa de Sá:(my connection makes to much noise…)

01:10:22Tamara:OK 🙂

01:10:25Rosa Carrillo:thanks!

01:11:11David Boyce:Stage 1 in Psychological Safety is inclusion, stage 2 is Learner Safety, stage 3 is Contributor Safety, and the 4th is Challenger Safety

01:11:53Tamara:Thank you David, do you have a resource on this?

01:12:06Tamara:We LOVE nerdy questions 🙂

01:12:33David Boyce:Yes, Timothy R Clark, I am actually certified in the 4 Stage of PS

01:12:59Gary Wong:Awesome David!

01:13:39Tamara:That is awesome David,

01:22:45Veronica Kimble:very cute joke

01:26:47chadwid1:love the Johari window! and yes, telling people about why safety is important to me…

01:27:45Tamara:The Johari window is a technique that helps people better understand their relationship with themselves and others. It was created by psychologists Joseph Luft (1916–2014) and Harrington Ingham (1916–1995) in 1955, and is used primarily in self-help groups and corporate settings as a heuristic exercise.

01:29:35Tamara:yes, we do that

01:30:22Gary Wong:I just did that for an upcoming virtual Cynefin Retreat starting Oct 26.

01:30:38Veronica Kimble:I would be open to trying that, but the situation doesnt always present as an opportunity

01:31:20chadwid1:In BP we do it by talking about why safety is important to them, and their pivotal moments in life

01:32:15chadwid1:Yes, as Jim says, its about showing vulnerability so we can learn

01:33:24Gary Wong:As Edgar Schein would say: Being humble and open

01:33:35Jim Marinus:agree

01:36:43Jaleel Guedes:For example, on an offshore facility, the trust and interaction among crew members is crucially important to set such a bond and get all more committed to safety

01:37:00Jim Marinus:We used the Johari window in the mid 80s in a Department of Energy lab to help Radcon Techs improve their communications with plant personnel in the nuclear reactor plant

01:37:13Gary Wong:Right on, Jaleel

01:37:34Jaleel Guedes:We show to them such a way that we trust e acho other

01:38:30Jim Marinus:Thank you Rosa!

01:38:32Jaleel Guedes:And the rig operations leaders and Supervisors must set the good example

01:39:00Gary Wong:I have “signature” stories – personal ones that resonate

01:39:56Jaleel Guedes:But to reach this such a level of confidence, the Boss is not only a boss, he really acts as a true Leader

01:40:56Jaleel Guedes:He treats everyone with the same respect no matter the job title

01:41:30Gary Wong:Jaleel: This is epistemic justice

01:41:34Tamara:Rosa is also speaking next week at our Safety Connect online conference (FREE):

01:42:01Jaleel Guedes:It really makes such a huge positive impact on the rig

01:42:54Orhan Çırağan:Get well and recover soon, Rosa

01:43:01Jaleel Guedes:yes sure

01:43:22Gary Wong:

01:43:24Jaleel Guedes:yes, hope you bounce back quite well, Rosa

01:43:27Corrêa de Sá:thanks


Each one-hour session is hosted by an expert or stakeholder in safety performance. And each session invites all attendees to participate, listen, and learn from each other and through conversation and shared experiences. Collectively, we explore the human system’s impact on safety and performance – relationally, psychologically, and socially.

After a brief introduction to the topic and sharing of relevant research, the floor will be open for group conversation. We invite ALL to share their thoughts, and will openly embrace – actually encourage – different perspectives. We really want to hear from all, from those who can share measurable, scientific concepts, those who have knowledge gained from experience, and those who intend to learn and understand more.

Group Rules of Conduct:

  • Build each other up to encourage and grow our ideas. Our group goal is to learn, share and expand our views.

  • If you disagree, first repeat what you heard and get acknowledgement that you understand what others have tried to propose.

  • Use "I think", "feel", "have discovered" during respectful rebuttals of others opinions and ideas.

  • Be prepared to agree, to disagree as views will be different.from our own and we want to nurture others.

Regular Hosts of the Safety View are:

Rosa Carrillo author of The Relationship Factor in Safety Leadership, safety leadership consultant, MS in Organizational development.

Lisa Lande, Ph.D., Principal Consultant at Petricher Consulting, LLC, licensed psychologist, human and organizational factors; safety, culture and leadership coach and consultant.

Tamara Parris, Community Development, Bachelors of Social Work, Occupational Health and Safety, and Emergency Management.

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Our Guest

Rosa Carrillo author of "The Relationship Factor in Safety Leadership", safety leadership consultant, MS in Organizational development.

Get her book here:

Rosa Antonia Carrillo, MSOD is a leadership and culture expert with an emphasis in environment safety and health. Her 2020 book, The Relationship Factor in Safety Leadership, published by Routledge has been called required reading to understand the foundations of "safety culture" by Edgar Schein.

Her ground breaking articles on relationship centered leadership, safety culture, mindful conversations, trust and open communication have gained the attention of of leaders world-wide. In recognition of her contributions, the Safety Institute of Australia invited her as the Wigglesworth Memorial Lecturer in 2015.

She is president of Carrillo & Associates, Inc. a provider for employee engagement, leadership development, and coaching services for leaders of companies that want to achieve high performance in EHS while delivering business results. The C&A team delivers engaging leadership development workshops to executives, managers, supervisors and employees to help them transform into leaders who build collaborative, trusting, and motivating work environments. At the same time, given the unique challenges of operating a high- hazard facility, the training focuses on managing and enhancing employee performance as well as effective decision-making.

Ms. Carrillo holds a Masters of Science in Organizational Development and is former adjunct faculty for the Presidential Key Executive MBA program at Pepperdine University.


Email: [email protected]

Regular Hosts are:

Gary Wong, Complexity Facilitator at Gary Wong & Associates, Bachelor of Applied Science, Masters of Business Administration, safety and organizational change from a complexity perspective.

Tamara Parris, Community Development, Bachelors of Social Work, Occupational Health and Safety, and Emergency Management.

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Written by Tamara Parris

Tamara Parris

Tamara Parris is the VP of Community and Business Development at Safeopedia, and owner of EHS Professionals Group on LinkedIn. Her passion is working with other EHS Professionals to collaborate in thought leadership, networking and connecting our industry peers to resources that will increase profitability and safety practices within their workplaces. Tamara has been in the Health and Safety field for over 20 years, her industry experiences include the Construction sector, CCTV and Security, and Commercial Retail industries.

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