As the number of women in many traditionally male dominated industries like construction and oil & gas increases, it has become more apparent that the same protective solutions used for men are not suitable.

When women arrive on the job site, they often find their protective apparel to be simply smaller sized versions of men’s protective gear. Along with the rapid increase in demand for women’s PPE comes a need for PPE companies that focus on the unique needs of women in today’s workforce.

In this webinar we’ll discuss specific issues that women tend to face in regards to PPE and introduce HauteWork, the first female-centric FRC brand in the United States. HauteWork is motivated by the understanding that comfort and confidence go hand in hand when it comes to job performance. A key part of that confidence is the assurance that you have the right tools for the job – and in the oil and gas and utility industries, FR clothing that fits correctly is a critical tool.

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Tiffany:Hello, and a warm welcome to everybody. We would like to wish everyone a good morning, a good afternoon, or a good evening, depending on where you are in the world.

My name is Tiffany, and I'm a part of Safeopedia. Safeopedia’s mission is to support the EHS professionals, operational folks and any safety-minded individuals with free safety information, tools and education. I'd like to extend a huge thank you to those dedicated professionals for the great work they do on a daily basis.

Just a reminder, the webinar is being recorded, and we’ll send out a link to the recording to everybody in a few days. This webinar is for you, the audience, so we'll keep it interactive. Get your questions into the GoToWebinar console as we go, and we'll get to them at the end of the presentation.

Today, we are proud to present, Why Women Deserve Their Own Brand of FRC. This Safeopedia webinar is being presented by National Safety Apparel, a preferred manufacturer member of Safety Network.

It is now absolutely my pleasure to introduce to today's presenters, Melissa Dixon and Jamie Glas. Melissa Dixon started her career in the technical design department at National Safety Apparel in 2010. After leading the R&D department for several years, Melissa transitioned to a role in product management where she specialized in FR clothing and arc flash PPE. Melissa now leads the product management team at National Safety Apparel, where she focuses on innovation, continuous improvement and customer centric product development.

Jamie Glas graduated from Louisiana State University in 2012 with a bachelor’s degree in petroleum engineering and international trade and finance and a minor in Chinese culture and commerce. She interned three summers during college with Chevron in Bakersfield and Houston, then went to work full-time as a production engineer for Chevron's Carthage field in East Texas.

During her internships and new her position, Jamie is wearing ill-fitting Flame-Resistant Clothing or FRC and other PPE every day on the job. She decided to tackle this problem and began researching applicable codes and regulations in order to make a coverall that fit her properly. When female co-workers and peers from other companies got wind of what she was doing, they formed a focus group to help her develop styles, choose colors, fit, the garments, etc.

After five years at Chevron, Glas moved to Austin, Texas to pursue a reservoir engineer position with permian-focused Parsley Energy. It was then that she began to make strides in her development of HauteWork and ultimately launched the company as the first female focused FRC brand in the US. HauteWork has just exclusively partnered with National Safety Apparel as the newest line in the company's House of FR brands.

I’m very grateful to have you sit back, relax and enjoy this webinar. With that, Melissa and Jamie, please take it away.

Melissa:Thanks, Tiffany. And again, I want to extend a thank you to everyone joining us today. My name is Melissa Dixon, and my co-host Jamie and I, will be talking about Why Women Deserve Their Own Brand of FRC.

So, first, we'll get started with the problem that women's FRC has in today's industry. We'll talk a little bit about the HauteWork brand and how it came to be. We'll discuss PPE issues that face women, the link between comfort and compliance, and then we'll wrap up with some new products that we have from the HauteWork line.

Jamie:So, here's Jamie, and some of you may see yourself — some of you called in might see yourself in one of these pictures, but essentially, it's been a problem for a long time in the FRC industry that there aren't a whole lot of options for women. We’re forced to wear men's clothes, alter our clothes. You know, we’re — borrow things whenever we change our shape or our sizes.

So, we looked, we took a little deep dive into the sales history in the FR industry as a whole. And right now, 10 to 20% of FR consumers are women. That's different in different industries, of course. 20% is probably closer to the number in the oil and gas industry, whereas in electrical utilities, it might be more like 10% women, and that's the customers. But then, sales attributed to FR clothing for women specifically only make up about less than 1% of the total sales in the industry.

So, when I think of that, you know, from a business perspective, that makes sense, right? If you're a business and you are, you know, worried about your bottom line, you're not going to put a whole lot of time and resources into a vertical that only makes up less than 1% of your total sales.

You'll use your limited resources in other areas of the business. So, it doesn't make me mad at manufacturers that they're not necessarily focusing on women's wear. It makes sense, but we're here to say that that 10-20% market share that isn't being tapped right now must either be wearing men's clothes or, like I said, altering theirs or just not wearing clothes and so they're not compliant at all. So, we're trying to go after that 10 to 20%.

So, I started I founded a company called HauteWork because of the experiences I had wearing ill-fitting PPE in the field. HauteWork is the first ever brand of flame-resistant clothes made exclusively for women by women. So, when we go into a, you know, product development meeting, we're about to start putting pen-to-paper to come up with a new product. We think about women's shapes. We don't start with one of our men's designs and say how can we alter this to fit our women? And I think that's what a lot of the manufacturers do. We start all over and we invest the time and resources into making it specifically for women.

So, our mission is to design safe, comfortable, functional and stylish FRC that is flattering for all female forms. And I really like this. We try to disrupt the traditional image of workwear. I think today, the workwear industry, the FR industry, is sort of trending in a direction where the clothes are starting to look more like daily wear that you can wear every day, and it doesn't really look like the traditional image of workwear. So that's kind of what we're trying to do here. A lot of the offerings for women right now still look like workwear. They still look like men's clothes. So we're trying to add a little bit of a flair so that you feel like you're just wearing your everyday clothes, and you're comfortable and you can travel in the clothes, or you can go places after work and still feel comfortable and confident.

So, of course, there's issues that women face right now regarding PPE, garment fit and comfort being the number one issue. We all have been in situations where we don't fit the garments. Availability of women sizes is also another big issue because as we know, women come in a wide variety of sizes. So, some manufacturers only stop kind of like the middle range sizes. They don't focus on the outer sizes like very small or very large. So, that's an issue that women face. And then confidence of course, because when you're wearing PPE, that doesn't fit you or you're not able to get your size, they'd have to size up or size down. That can really affect your confidence.

Melissa:Absolutely, Jamie, and that really brings up a great point. In OSHA best practice — we took this right from the OSHA website — really states how important it is for employers to really consider women's sizes when they're purchasing PPE for their employees. And, you know, we talked about fit and comfort and confidence, but a lot of it really has to do with some safety issues that could arise if you're not wearing clothing that's made specifically for you. So, it's definitely a best practice that's urged by OSHA, and really, it's because one size does not fit all. And we're going to get into some of those PPE fit specific issues that can arise.

So, one of the things that comes with garments that, you know, maybe aren’t made specifically for your body. If you're a woman wearing a men's cover all that can really decrease your mobility with the garment being oversized. If you have gloves that aren’t made to fit your hand, that can decrease your dexterity. And then if your boots aren't really the right size for you — I know I've had to go on job sites and, you know, just trying to find steel toed boots that actually are made for a woman that fit properly. You know, you have to go to five different stores just to get what you need to get on the job.

So, if you're, if you're not wearing something that doesn't fit you properly, that can really impair you in your job and not allow you to do what you need to do on a daily basis. And that can again, not only, you know, make you feel uncomfortable in your job, like, you know, how can I even use it? But it can also increase your risk of injury and accidents. So, if you have a hard hat that isn't fitting properly and slide off, which can leave you susceptible to injury or get in your field of vision, which obviously could lead to an accident. Safety glasses that aren't made to fit your face, that can leave gaps which is going to leave you vulnerable to having some sort of injury potentially.

And then, you know, we’ve talk about garments that maybe are too big, that are too baggy that can get in the way, catch on machinery or, you know, lead you to trip. But there's also, you know, if you're having a garment that's too big, it can leave areas of your skin exposed. So, when we talk about FRC, if you have a shirt or a coverall that may be the neckline is, you know, baggy or your sleeves are bagging, that can leave you exposed if there were potentially a flash fire or an arc flash that can contribute to injury as well.

So, you know, all of these reasons why it's really important to make sure your garment fits right. And you know, you can be ready for the task at hand.

Jamie:Right. And so, once you as an employee sees sort of a pattern of being given clothing that don't fit right, you know, the logical thing to do, I guess, but not the correct thing to do, is just not wear your FRC.

So, there was this survey in 2016 conducted by the ISCA and BPPPA found that over 90% of safety professionals and users surveyed stated they witness workers not wearing PPE in situations that required it. So, at some point, I've seen it in the field. I'm sure everyone on the phone has seen it when, you know, you can't find FRC or PPE to fit you. I've seen men who will put an FR tag on their regular jeans just to, you know, be able to wear something that fits and that allow them to do their job safely and not be distracted from what they're wearing.

So, some of the top excuses in that survey for not wearing PPE was, obviously, uncomfortable, too hot — that would be a big one I know in the southern states where I'm from working in Texas — poor fit, of course. And then that leads to unattractive. And I think, you know, I've heard it all from women specifically in the industry around this attractiveness idea, because some women just want to fit in and look, you know, just like the men, and then others want to wear something that fits them, and they don't mind standing out a little bit in that. But unattractive isn't just how you look. It's how you feel in what you're wearing and really, you feel better in things that fit you because it's more of an afterthought, and it is something that you're constantly thinking about or pulling on or is distracting.

Melissa:Absolutely! And, you know, all of these excuses were focusing on women, but Jamie brought up a good point that also affects men as well. So, you know, it's important for everybody to make sure that they're provided PPE that they're comfortable in, that fits them appropriately, so they can just figure out, you know, how to do their job without being distracted by being uncomfortable.

So, what happens when people aren't wearing their PPE or, you know, potentially not wearing it properly? That's going to leave workers at risk for injury. And it may seem a little bit, you know, harder to justify paying a little bit more for higher end clothing, clothing that looks a little bit more retail, or is made with moisture-wicking technology, you know, those things that cost a little bit more, but really, at the end of the day, providing workers with PPE that they actually want to wear can save a company a lot of money in the long run. So, providing PPE that people actually want to wear will help keep them safe.

For those that aren't wearing their PPE properly, if they do get into an incident, you know, in a flash fire or arc class, that's going to be, you know, most likely some sort of burn, and burns that resulted in hospitalization, this is a very expensive injury to take care of. Usually, you're about 11 to 13 days in the hospital, and the cost per case is going to be well over $100,000. So, you know, that's really the direct cost, and it is the second most costly workers’ compensation claim.

But other than the direct cause, you're dealing with a lot of things that can't be measured. So, lost productivity, lost morale by your workers because, you know, their coworker has been injured, and you know, it really creates a fear and just, you know, a really negative vibe, which again is going to decrease productivity.

So not only that your employer is going to be at risk for OSHA violations, fines, and then another indirect cost is going to be that reputation, that blow to your reputation, for having an injured worker and violations. So, this is why we really talk about, you know, providing PPE that people will actually wear to keep them safe.

Jamie:So, to touch again on the point where we made the unattractive being one of the top excuses for not wearing your PPE, which, as Melissa just explained to us, can be a huge cost to your company both actually monetarily and from a productivity standpoint if someone were to get hurt, or an accident were to happen. But when I was starting HauteWork, I started thinking, you know, there has to be some sort of way to quantify or qualify how you feel about what you're wearing and how that affects your attitude in every day because, you know, there's a reason why we don't go to work in our pajamas every day. We get up and we put on actual clothes because that makes us feel better, or we would all just work from home in our PJs and work in bed, you know. And then you feel productive when you get up and you make yourself look nice. Women wear makeup sometimes, and men put gel in their hair.

So, how you how you look, everybody, it’s something that's in everyone. So, the actual term for that is enclosed cognition. Northwestern University did a study about it. It's defined as how clothes influence the wearer’s psychological processes. And so, in that study, Northwestern found that feeling comfortable and confident in your clothing actually does increase your performance on tasks. So, what you wear actually does, how you feel in what you wear and what you wear and how you look, affect how you're going to perform.

Business Insider did a similar study and said that, “Appearance strongly influences other people's perceptions”. So, not only your own perception of yourself but how other people perceive you around financial success, authority, trustworthiness, intelligence and suitability for higher promotion.

So, you know, confidence always starts with you and so does finding FR clothing that fits. And what we're trying to do is provide that option for everyone in the marketplace to be able to go out there and find clothes that fit you, but it starts with you but then, you know, you exuding confidence can affect how your boss sees you, whether you can be promoted for a job or not. You would never go to a job interview wearing, you know, sweatpants. You go in a nice suit, and because you can hear about what other people think of how you look, and you care about how you feel.

Once I said a quote, “A key part is people respecting your professional abilities is confidence. And a key part of having confidence is confidence is to look and feel great in what you're wearing.” That's what it's really all about. Confidence is key these days in the workplace, and great like, luckily, women are starting to have a lot more confidence and being promoted and things like that, but a major part of your confidence is not only, like, your own self-esteem, but it's also what you wear and how you feel in that.

Melissa:Absolutely! So, now we're going to get into some of our new HauteWork products and give you the features. So, Jamie, take it away.

Jamie:Yeah. So, starting right off with our Workday Warrior pants. So, this one we like to start with because it's sort of like the biggest deviation from normal, I guess, FR pants that you're used to, even women's ones because I know you're sort of used to that, like, woven or cotton look. These are stretching knit. It's an FR knit pant.

I like to tell the story about this one, I remember when I was still working for Chevron, and I was living in Houston but going out to Midland every other week. I would get on the morning airplane, and the whole plane would be filled with people obviously going out to work in the field. So, everyone was wearing their FR clothes for the day to basically land right in the middle of the oil field in Midland. And every time I think about these pants I'm like, “Man, I wish these existed back then because I was just wearing my uncomfortable FR pants and shirt or big baggy coveralls, and it would be so nice to fly in a pair of these comfy, you know, yoga style pants.”

But what's great about these, all of our products CAT 2112 and dual hazard, but and we do stock these in extra small through 3X, so it's very size inclusive. But yeah these are not so tight on you, like, they're not like a pair of leggings that are that will be restricting. They're very flexible, and they'll allow you to perform tasks easily.

And then next is our bread and butter coverall. This has been around since the inception of HauteWork, the Flex Suit, our FR flex suits. And with NSA proprietary fabrics, we offer this in a soft, durable FR fabric that offers comfort and protection. We have two different colorways here. And what I really like about this suit, it has the elastic waist that goes all the way around, so it cinches your waist, so it flatters, but it also allows for flexibility.

I actually, when I wear this suit out to, you know, call on customers and things like that, this is one of my favorite ones to wear because of all the pockets. You can put your cell phone right in that arm pocket or on the leg pocket — very functional for every day. And this one also does come in curvy sizes. So, we offer extra small through extra-large and then 1X through 5x curvy. So, we're trying to be more inclusive because women — the problem… Not the problem with women but the problem with FR clothing for women is that we come in so many different shapes and sizes that there's hardly any one brand or product that covers all of them. And if you have to wear a uniform and everyone's dressed the same, it's hard then for some of the bookend sizes to find something that fits them.

Melissa:Yeah, absolutely. So, you know, pretty much your standard coverall just one that fits really great and has a lot of functionality and flexibility. If you're looking for something a little bit different, we have our FRP Fever Suite, and this is a little bit dressier. It's got that 70s jumpsuit styling, has extra flair, and the leg really nice. You know, if you if you want to feel a little bit more dressy yet still be able to work and function.

So, again that soft, durable fabric. The really cool thing about this one is that it has knit sleeves, so it's really great for mobility. If you're doing some sort of overhead work, it really allows you to have that full range of motion. And then you can see the contrast pocketing. All of those pockets are real pockets, which is amazing. I know a lot of times women's garments, they have pockets that look really nice and flattering, but then when you go to actually put something in there, it's either not a real pocket, or it's this tiny little pocket that you cannot put anything in. So, these pockets are great for your cell phone and notebook, you know, whatever you need to put in there. So, that's one of the benefits of our products.

And then moving on to our Luxe Pocket Tee. Again, you have that nice, functional pocket that looks great but also actually allows you to, you know, function and work. So, this is, again, your CAT 2112. The great thing about this knit, this is the same knit that we had in the fever suit. It's really lightweight, super soft, so it's really comfortable, but it also has moisture wicking. So, it can really keep you comfortable while you're working. If you're working up a sweat, it's going to keep you dry. It's going to keep you cool, which is great. And it's really good for transitioning into different weather and climate. So, if you're in and out of a truck all day, maybe going into buildings and onto the field. It kind of transitions with you so that you're comfortable, no matter what your surroundings are.

And then we have our FR ¼ Zips. So, we have two sort of colorways of that: our hot pink FR fleece and our Fearless FR fleece. The fearless one is black, and these are great. I wish I had these available when I used to work because sometimes, in the office, you're cold. And so this is a great layering piece over an FR t shirt or over your coverall, but it's not too bulky, and it's very, it's lightweight enough, easy to travel with and pack. But then you can also put off. But it's also great in cold weather because you can wear it under, you know, some of our heavier jackets and hoodies and things like that. So yeah, I think that this is a wonderful transition piece just for, like, when you're a little bit too chilly or, you know, winters in Texas, they're not that cold. So, you might not need a full big jacket, but these ¼ Zips would be great.

And then of course we have our sort of Just the Basic section in our line, where we have our basic, very comfortable Henley's — same material as Melissa was explaining earlier that’s moisture wicking, the NSA proprietary fabric. And then we have our hoodie, which is by far one of the more popular items because it's just a very comfortable, easy to bring around hoodie, and it's warm in cold weather.

Melissa:Yeah, absolutely. And this is a great line. You know, we get a lot of women that, you know, they just want to look professional. They don't really maybe want to stand out a little bit. It kind of just like just the basics. So, this is a great line of products that we have that is more classic looking, doesn't have a lot of the bells and whistles, but it's just really comfortable clothing that fits you and fits your body.

Jamie: Yeah, it was made for a woman, so it would be way more comfortable than the men's version.

Melissa:Absolutely! So, just to wrap up a little bit. So, we've talked about how the number of women in jobs that require FRC is growing. This is a growing segment in a variety of different industries, whether it's utilities, oil and gas, other trades like wellbeing women are there and they're growing, and they're going to work every day. And unfortunately, a lot of the industry has yet to adapt to that. So, we're really trying to change that. And it's important, it's important to provide PPE not just for women, but for men, you know, for everybody. PPE that they feel comfortable in because when you're not comfortable, when you don't have something that fits you great, you're more likely to not wear it at all. And that's going to leave you at risk for injury, for accident, and then your company is exposed to liability. So, really the key to worker success is providing them protective clothing that fits them, that they'll actually wear. And that's where HauteWork comes in.

Jamie:Yeah. You can probably see me in one of those pictures in the last, but that's where the idea for HauteWork came about. I think the first time I was given an oversized coverall on the field, I thought, “Why are other companies not making more clothes that fit women and that look like women's clothes?”

And then of course, as we touched on in the beginning, we know that that sales number is not a huge number, so it makes sense that manufacturers aren't focusing on it. But if they were to focus on it, the whole industry got together and said, “Let's make more options for women.” I wonder how big that number could grow. And so that's what we're trying to do at HauteWork. We're trying to spark that start to having much more variety in the FR clothing industry for women because right now, the variety for men is huge.

So, we created this company to cater to the unique needs of women and address the issues that relate to compliance when you don't fit in the clothes that you're wearing. What you wear affects how you feel, of course, and clothing influences your confidence and performance day to day on the job and how you're happy at your employer. And another thing for the employers out there is that your employees will feel much more appreciated and much more happy if you just give them this option.

Like Melissa said earlier, they're women have different preferences and taste. Some of them might just want to wear something that looks just like more classic and like the men's workwear. Some might want to stand out and wear something all new. But just to give them that option as an employer will make them feel extremely happy with the company, and it'll boost the employee morale.

So, with that, we’d love to take some questions, but we want to say you can always visit our website, www.thinknsa.com at HauteWork. But I wanted to mention, like we said, if you think of any new products out there that you want to give us an idea to create or something, please, please, you can always email me. Here's my email or product info at thinknsa.com.

Also, if you'd like us to come into your team, or your group, or your company and share information about why women's FRC needs a little bit more attention and why your safety group needs to give them that option, we're happy to come in. So, always email me as well. And you can always use these webinars as a tool to kind of have that open communication if necessary. If you're sitting there thinking why I can’t be offered women's FR clothing? Because there's a lot of good information in here that will help, you know, speak to whoever it is in charge.

Melissa:Yeah, absolutely.

Jamie:So, thank you, everyone. Thank you, Safeopedia.

Melissa:Thank you so much! So, I think we're ready for some question.

Tiffany:Yes, great presentation. Thank you, Melissa and Jamie. This is a quick reminder to get your questions in as we will now be starting the Q&A section. We'll start off with some questions that came in during the registration process. I have one here from Lucy. “Are there specifications being reviewed for pregnant women?”

Jamie:Yes, Lucy. Actually... Absolutely. We've been working on that since last year really. And actually, NSA does offer a couple of maternity options right now. So, if you ever, if you want to learn about those they currently have, email [email protected]. But also, Yes, we are working on that right now. The number of people out there in the industry that are asking for maternity clothes is growing every day. I hear, I get emails, probably bi-weekly. So, we definitely recognize that as an underserved portion of an underserved market and we want to be the ones to help fill that. So, yeah, stay tuned. Please keep watching, and we will come out with some products soon.

Tiffany:Great. I have a question here from Brian who asked, “Will HauteWork be available internationally?”

Melissa;Yeah, absolutely. So, National Safety Apparel, our parent company, they are a global brand. You know, we offer — we have some international sales reps available. So, definitely check out our website for who to contact, and we can look and work with your regional distributor or help you find one.

Tiffany:Great! Yeah, I guess just a follow up question to that from Tanya, “Are your products sold through National Safety Apparel?”

Melissa:Oh, yeah. Great question. So, yes, the products are sold exclusively through National Safety Apparel. And we do not sell direct to end users. So, we have a really wide distributor network. So, if you have a CC distributor or you're in a quoting program chances are they do carry our products, so just reach out and we have a section on our website where we can answer questions and put you with a distributor that does have these products available.

JamieYeah. And always reach out to [email protected]. Right now, we have some online retailers set up and some distributors set up that you can buy HauteWork right now. So, reach out, ask them, and they can direct you there right today.

Tiffany:Perfect. I have a question here from Jim who asks. “Is laundering similar to men's FR?”

Melissa:Yes. So again, is going to be the same type of laundry instructions. You always want to look at the labels on the inside of your garment. And then I'll tell you the appropriate wash instructions. With all of FR clothing, it's important not to use bleach or any sort of fabric softener. You really want to use a mild detergent that doesn't have anything that's going to stay on your clothing and potentially cause a fuel source. So, but yeah, men's and women's is the same type of laundering. Just follow the instructions inside the garment. And we also have a laundering section on our website as well.

Tiffany:Great, thank you. I have a question here from Amanda who asks, “Will you offer plus size options?”

Jamie:Yeah, Amanda we actually already do. So, a lot of the garments that we have, we say that they're more like I guess less flexible. So, some of the stretchier knits, they're stretchier, so we don't, we didn't really see a need for — just the regular sizes will fit the same sizing as the curvy sizes in the woven ones. But like the Flex two as we showed, a couple of other things, we have a curvy option. So, just take a look on the website and see we have all of that on there which ones come in curvy options, which ones don’t, and we'll have size charts on there for you to take a look at.

TiffanyGreat! Similar question here from Susan. “Will the clothes come in petite and tall sizes as well?”

Melissa:Yes, so that's a great question, and that's one of our main goals is to address all of the different sizes of women. So, we have regular sizes, we have shorts, we have tall. We really have the flexibility to offer a wide range of sizes, length. We definitely address that.

Jamie:Yeah, and I'd say that's one of the main draws to National Safety Apparel for me was that, they specialize in innovation and custom sort of design. So, you know, if you have a, if you have a group, your safety group wants a specific type of shirt that you see here, but they want, you want a different color or something like that. NSA really focuses on customization and things like that. So, we could get with your distributor and get with us and we can make something like that happen. So yeah, custom inseams and things are definitely one thing we can make happen.

Tiffany:Great! And I just have one final question here from Jessica who asks, “What type of undergarments should you wear under FRC?”

Melissa:That’s a great question. So, with all FR clothing, anything that you wear underneath really should be either 100% natural fibers, so 100% cotton, silk, wool, because that's not going to contribute to injury. Those aren't going to melt to you. But really, whenever possible, it would be, you know, ideal for you to wear an FR garment underneath your regular FR daily wear. So, we do offer FR undergarments for women on our website. You can check that out at www.thinknsa.com . We have a couple of different styles, some high performance, athletic type material sports bras, and we also have some boy shorts as well. So, definitely important to make sure that what you're wearing underneath your FR isn’t something that can harm you if you're in an incident. So, we're definitely looking at more options coming soon, but we do have some things right now.

Tiffany:Great. thank you. Well, Melissa and Jamie, if you have any last words you wanted to share?

Melissa:Yeah, absolutely. So again, we just wanted to thank everyone for joining us today. Thank you to Safeopedia for all your support and for letting us post this webinar. And we're looking forward to showing everyone what we have to offer and very excited to, you know, hopefully start this new women's movement in the FRC space.

Jamie:Yeah, exactly. I think HauteWork, this partnership with National Safety Apparel is new and the line is just being launched. And so, working with NSA, now we have a lot broader reach and a lot bigger, more resources and more capacity. So, yeah, just reach out to us if you want us to come in and show and tell, and we're really excited to change the industry in the future.

Tiffany:Great! Yeah, we'd like to thank everyone for attending today's webinar. I'd like to thank Melissa and Jamie again for a great presentation and National Safety apparel for helping put it on.

Just a reminder, we will be sending out a link to the recording and the presentation slides in a few days.

Thanks again! Take care and stay safe.